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Do you consider all cases of Benefit Fraud in the same way?
On the back of Duffields Question I was set wondering about how benefit fraud is considered (by myself as well as others)?

I cannot imagine how someone managed to get debts of 40k.

On one hand, if some one starts work in a very low paid job but continues to claim out of desperation in order to afford essentials then, although I can't condone this, I do feel sorry for them and feel that 'Fraud' is a very harsh term (even if accurate).

On the other hand, if someone out to get away with it because they think they can and are living the life of Riley on the proceeds then 'Fraud' is very descriptive & they deserve what they get.

What are other members views on this?
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kimberley240605 answers:

To benefits fraud is fraud whther they are on a low paid job(which they can get tax credits to supplment their earnings) or they are doing cause they can't be bothered to get a job, My cousin was done for benefit fraud, she kncok out kids like no tomorrow just to claim the benefits as she didn't feel she had to work as the state would keep her, why should I work all the hours going to keep myself going just so the tax many can give my tax to someone who can't be bothered to get out there and find a job low paid or not.

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reactivated answers:

Another side of the coin to this, is the Genuine people who are on Disability Benefits suffer to. ( i am 1 of them.) Its to me on the same par as going into some-one elses house and stealing from them. I used to work before becommign disabled, i paid my taxes, stamps ect. Now you got these scum bags taking what i earnt over the years.
Disability benefits are not that much, and at times i do find it hard to make ends meet, more so with cost of fuel ect. You be surprised how these scumbags cheat the system.
I wish i could live the life of riley, but under no circumstances would i ever think of cheating the system.
They should have all benefits stopped and made to work. When they say there are no jobs, they talking Bunkum. I look at job sections and plenty going. Just makes me so angry that people like this think they can do as they please.

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high1971 answers:

i do think fraud is fraud

but i do feel at in alot of cases the reason for the fraud does need to be looked into having said that this is not an execptable reason to commit fraud just because you say you can not live

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wumpus answers:

I too have sympathy with people who are genuinely suffering financial hardship. Life on benefits isn't easy; you need to learn to wait while you save up for things; or you do without.

Unfortunately, modern life is all about getting stuff NOW!
We are regularly bombarded with offers of ever more exclusive credit cards, zero percent finance deals, nothing to pay until X, etc.
And the TV adverts are loaded with different ways to get into debt, you must get this console/car/computer/holiday/whatever, cheap finance, etc. Usually closely followed by claims that you can get out of debt easily too.

One thing I always noticed while driving around the streets of Liverpool was just how many of the cheap terraced low-income/unemployed style houses had satellite dishes.
This is before the days of freesat, so presumably they all had subscriptions to Sky/BSB/whatever.

And the number of people you see who say they are struggling, yet they're still puffing away on the cigarettes, or going down the pub regularly.

Even eating junk food can cost a lot more than proper cooking, but we're still facing an obesity crisis, and lower paid families make up a large proportion of that problem.

So, yes, I can sympathise with and have a lot of respect for those who are genuinely forced to exist within the benefits system.

But very much antipathy for those who give up and simply short-cut the system to get benefits illegally.

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tecspec answers:

I agree too, Fraud is Fraud. If they've claimed for benefit they shouldn't have then my hard earned taxes have paid for it. The worst thing is, any sentence at Her Majesty's Pleasure is also paid for by my taxes!
Following on from what Reactivated said about Disability payments: My mother in law is disabled and since my father in law died my brother in law has been her primary carer. Because they both have savings they do not qualify for any extra allowances. She's not hard up but I do feel that if my brother in law wasn't looking after her she would be in a nursing home. Not exactly a good life for a 47 year old man, having to give up work and live on benefit of £54 a week.

My son was recently unemployed and he was given 2 days temorary work. He declared it when he next signed on and the DWP said he would have to sign off and sign back on again. Why couldn't they just adjust his benefit?? Long winded processes like this doesn't encourage people to be honest.

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hdtg answers:

Not all cases of fraud are intentional fraud. The benefits system which includes tax credits etc, is really quite complicated and in many cases people fall foul of the system itself.

For instance, A person claiming any form of state benfit is comitting an act of frau f they allow someone they are having any form of relationship with, to stay at their place of resisdence for more than three nights per week on a regular basis.

In the instance of housing benefit this extends to any person and not just someone the person is romanticly involved with.

In addition it is possiblle for a decision regarding benefit payment to be adjusted years after the fact and though all information may have been supplied it may be decided that the claim was false or inaccurate many years down the road.

Child benefit and tax credits often create these types of problems.

I am sure there are many who try to exploit the system, but I amaware that this is not always the case and feel there is a difference.

Those who find themselves in such situations will usually be advised not to defend their case.

I think this very wrong and with the small group of young people I work with, benefits issues often arise, including allegations of fraud which are more often than not baseless.

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del79 answers:

i think all cases of fraud should be looked at individually. i am waiting to receive a letter to tell me whether or not i will be prosecuted for benefit fraud. my partner moved out when i was pregnant with our 3rd child.i informed dwp of this and filled in all of the paperwork. my partner moved in with his grandmother 4 doors down from me and came straight from work to see the children. all of his post still came to my address and i passed them on to him when he came to see the kids, i didnt take his name off the tenancy agreement because a friend told me that this could be difficult,i was still best friends with my partner so i didnt think this was an important thing to do.how wrong was i? after 4 years apart my partner moved back in,i went to dwp a week before and notified them of this,and yet 8 months after he moved in i was called to the council for an interview under caution.they told me that they beleived that my partner had never moved out,and because i left his post come to my house that was seen as suspicious,and even though the dwp never told me that i had to take his name off the tenancy they said that that proved to them that he must have lived there.they are now telling me that i was overpaid by 40k and are thinking about prosecution(which they probably will).even though my partner paid money to the csa for the children they still think that we were conning them out of money,i am now paying money back and facing 3 years in jail.not all people rip off the social.but were all treated the same

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beeper_spryte answers:

fraud is fraud, but ineptitude is ineptitude. i started a six month contract for part-time work in february and i told the DWP everything, provided them with wage slips, the lot. i'm barely £20 a month better off all told but i'd rather have that than live on benefits. now - the 10p tax row: for february and march, the tax rates were different, so my income fell below the threshold and i would be allowed to keep it and my benefits - not so for april thru to the start of july... well, it's getting on towards july now, and all i've heard from the DWP is a thank-you slip attached to my returned pay slips.

i take some stories with a pinch of salt because i know that this is a slow-assed system we have to deal with, and their mistakes and ineptitude (i love that word) shouldn't be landed at our feet.

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